tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14667609.post8977823382598885261..comments2023-12-22T11:43:46.678-05:00Comments on One More Thing: Christian Morality?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02455778871683941763noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14667609.post-44220272353795072922012-07-14T21:24:30.324-04:002012-07-14T21:24:30.324-04:00True enough, but you have to remember, I was in a ...True enough, but you have to remember, I was in a Christian worship service. This is the Church talking to itself, without mentioning anything specifically Christian. That was more my point.<br /><br />I'm completely against any labels - I won't go into Christian bookstores and I abhor Christian music, because the labels almost assuredly mean they have nothing to do with Christ. In fact, most things that carry the Christian label are really just a general morality.<br /><br />Christ is something bigger and deeper than "being a good person." Being a Christian really means being a person in some ultimately true sense of being. We can debate and discuss how that works all we want, but the proof is in action - which is, I think, where you were going originally.<br /><br />I think we're in the same boat - upset at the labels, when the labels don't actually mean anything.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02455778871683941763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14667609.post-31894100655147829112012-07-14T16:19:12.338-04:002012-07-14T16:19:12.338-04:00Decent points, surely. My problem is ultimately wh...Decent points, surely. My problem is ultimately when the church condemns that which really is good because it's not under the label of Christian. Whether it be certain kinds of media not being produced through a "christian" company or label or even truly selfless acts not being done explicitly in the name of Jesus. The idea that Christianity is this club and anyone not wearing the right jacket is inherently evil goes directly against the idea that "they will know you are my followers by your love."Odist_Abettorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13563877939709547711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14667609.post-27039491571511655852012-07-13T20:48:32.789-04:002012-07-13T20:48:32.789-04:00Yeah, perhaps in my rush to define a Christian mor...Yeah, perhaps in my rush to define a Christian morality I didn't necessarily deconstruct the idea of generic morality enough.<br /><br />Philosophically, an admonishment to do what people would generally describe as good or moral is really neither. That good is really just what people expect from each other - to be helpful, to be good.<br /><br />The fact that lots of people (read: all people) don't live up to that standard doesn't make it some higher form of action; it's still just "normal" for lack of a better term.<br /><br />The idea of Christian morality is that it's constantly challenging us, not to be generically good, but to go above and beyond what people expect or how culture defines good. That's the extra mile stuff.<br /><br />Defining "good" as actions which anyone would tell you are general expectations for behavior - doesn't actually makes them good, it just lowers the bar for everyone.<br /><br />If I decide that from now on you only have to get a 65 to get an A, I've made what was merely a minimum requirement into something greater.<br /><br />In another way - it would be like saying that when Jesus tells us to love one another, we do that by loving our children. Sure, it's technically true, but only deranged individuals aren't going to love their children anyway, whether its good or not.<br /><br />Certainly all good comes from God and being "good" is better than being "bad," but those generic distinctions don't get us anywhere.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02455778871683941763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14667609.post-76796407565610438212012-07-13T02:30:27.459-04:002012-07-13T02:30:27.459-04:00Okay, Ryan. Normally, you have me all the way, cha...Okay, Ryan. Normally, you have me all the way, challenging and encouraging me in ways that expand my heart and mind but with which I ultimately agree. Here, however I just gotta call out what I think may have been a very sudden turn in differing perspectives. <br /><br />Whether or not morality is explicitly defined by the religious and theological bureaucracy of mentioning Jesus, how one specifies the meaning of giving one's life up, or from where one's charity derives, good still comes from God. I've heard too many Christians say that all the good a parent does for their child is ultimately sinful unless that parent has asked Jesus into their heart. That makes some religious sense, maybe, but no real sense and certainly no Christian sense. You haven't said that, and I assume you wouldn't, but it is important to remember that God is love and the basis for good and morality in human hearts stems from that we are all God's creation. <br /><br />Now just as what is good for one species is different for another, there are some differences in secular morality and Christian morality. As believers in God being God, though, it follows that true morality derives from God. Selfless sacrifice, such as what Jesus showed on the cross, and reckless faith, such as what Abraham showed with Isaac, are exemplified all over the world and all through time by those who don't know those stories. <br /><br />What sets Christian morality apart, from what I can see, is that it walks right in line with a hope and a purpose. <br /><br />I'm sure you didn't mean to make it seem like just another Christian elitist here, because I know you aren't. I rarely see Jesus in church on Sunday any more or less than I do in most places and on most days. However, maybe it's important to remember a quote from Les Mis "To love another person is to see the face of God."Odist_Abettorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13563877939709547711noreply@blogger.com